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uk stages?. i seek your valued opinion on something max bet

I usually split my time playing higher limit and penny slots , higher limit after my wife calls it a night.

anyway,my question is this.

totally disregarding the whole payback % and only speaking of penny slots.......... do you feel that the number of credits you play on a penny machine can actually affect whether or not you hit a high payout ,esopeciually a bonus round?

reasoning behind my question is I also visit another forum mostly related to slots,and ppl post many many pictures and by far, the best wins,and actual handpaying hits have been bty those not betting max?

not talking about progressives either. I only play max, but yet ill get wins of 700-800 ,but nothing like i have seen mentioned or posted on wagers of say .90cents??

I have heard opinions regarding this and how the fact that my higher wager may actually work against me because of the possible payout the machine may have to fork over should i hit that dream combination?

any opinions.

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1. Re: uk stages?. i seek your valued opinion on something max bet

I am sorry if I only directed this to uk, I am interested in anyone elses opinion as well.

see, I know the rng should give me the same symbol placement rtegardless of wether im betting 4 bucks or 90 cents on a penny slot,but i have just heard diff opinions regarding this. I have been tempted to give playing maybe half the max awhile but would hate myself should I see everything fall into place on a less than max bet.

I also understand the logic that lower credits will give me more chances because of the life span of my bankroll,but not factoring that in whats the experiance you guys have had in regards to max vs less than max?

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2. Re: uk stages?. i seek your valued opinion on something max bet

On the 'Vibrant 7's' where the per spin choice ranges from 35 cents to $2.60, my wife and I have hit for $1K (max payout on the bonus round) a few times, all while playing 35 cents. Obviously, for non-bonus round payoffs, you get only the least multiple when you play the 35 cents (which BTW covers all lines), but you're asking about max payout on a bonus round, so that's my experience for what it's worth.

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thanks jbm.

dont get me wrong, i have just heard so many diff opinions on for example.whicked winnings, where odds are against me getting lots of ravens with the red lady while plying max,than i would playing even half max.

honestly, I know myself all too well that i doubt ill play anything less than max, but just thought id pick some brains while im here goofing off at work.

nice hit btw on that vibrant 7s.

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from everything i have ever read about rng, its about timing, so i cant imagine how the size of the bet should matter??? but if I am wrong i would love to know?

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>>I know the rng should give me the same symbol placement rtegardless of wether im betting 4 bucks or 90 cents on a penny slot...<<

that's your answer right there, a1.

the P-RNG will indeed randomly choose number(s) that coincide with stops on the virtual reels and then display that symbol combination. you know that to be true, yet, you're a human being... so you doubt... and search for answers and rationalizations as to why something unexplainable has occurred.

THAT'S why people form so many "opinions" about how betting less than max results in more frequent bonus rounds and/or wins that are higher multiples of the initiating bet. by the way, i contend that the reason you see more pictures of big wins at lower bets is simply because more people tend to bet less than maximum. so if more people are NOT betting max, it stands to reason that many of their pictures will be of wins that occurred while betting less than max. it's as simple as that.

>>...from everything i have ever read about rng, its about timing,..<<

true.

and in that sense, changing your bet MAY influence the outcome. but it's not because you bet more or less... it's that it will likely take you a few extra seconds to shift from betting 90 cents, say, to $3.20. and in the time it takes to move your finger over to the max bet button, the P-RNG will cycle through thousands (or tens of thousands) of numbers.

>>i have just heard so many diff opinions on for example.whicked winnings, where odds are against me getting lots of ravens with the red lady while plying max,than i would playing even half max.<<

the "odds" are exactly the same on every spin, regardless of how much you bet. the odds are against you getting a screen full of ravens and red ladies because wicked winnings is a highly volatile machine with the ravens and ladies appearing far less frequently on the virtual reel stops than the other symbols.

i tend to vary my bet when playing penny and nickel machines. it's not a method or a winning "slot strategy." it's just money management. sometimes i hit big after betting max on a single spin, sometimes i don't.

i got a handpay recently on a nickel ruby slippers machine on a $1.25 bet. glinda gave me three reels wild, along with a bunch of strategically placed high paying symbols and a rare 5X multiplier. thrilling... but also a bit upsetting since the previous spin was at the maximum bet of ten dollars. but i know that i probably would not have hit big if i had chosen to repeat my ten dollar bet. not because the machine doesn't deliver winning spins with higher bets, but because the P-RNG would have been at a different place in its cycle of numbers and the spin outcome would have been different.

(as an aside here, let me just say that i have seen folks hit big with a $10 bet on these machines... and i've also seen five reels wild on a $3.75 bet. it does happen. of course, these were people who were consistently betting at that level, so it stands to reason that when they have a big hit, it's going to be with that size bet.)

there are a few exceptions to this. on some machines... bally's "cash spin" (u-spin) machine springs to mind... the size of your bet DOES help determine a bonus outcome. the occurrence of the bonus round (wheel spin) and the exact amount that you win is still random. but if you bet more, you will generally win higher amounts on the wheel spin. in other words, even though the amount you win is randomly chosen, the higher amounts on the wheel appear more frequently on the virtual reel stops from which the P-RNG chooses. it's in the documentation on the machine... check it out!

>>I have heard opinions regarding this and how the fact that my higher wager may actually work against me because of the possible payout the machine may have to fork over should i hit that dream combination?<<

payout percentages are calculated over millions of spins. what happens in the short term has little bearing. you could hit the three jackpot symbols and get a handpay. and then hit those three elusive jackpot symbols five spins later. (it happens.) it doesn't change the machine's long-term pay back percentage, however. if it's a 92% machine, it's still a 92% machine (even though your personal short-term payback may be several THOUSAND per cent). the machine doesn't have to "make-up" the difference in the short-term and deny people big payouts, so that it can pay off "the big one." in fact, it can and often does run a "deficit" in the short-term.

but over millions of spins, the actual payback percentage will be very close to what the chip that the manufacturer and the casino have installed says it will be.

Edited: 23 February 2012, 16:59
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6. Re: uk stages?. i seek your valued opinion on something max bet

haha, well thank you uk.

one day maybe phiser will come out with an rx that prevents my fingers from hitting that max spin,but until then you put my mind in its proper place.

slots may be a losing proposition,and a mindless game. but you know what? I play them because thats how i relax when i get away from the shop,i just want to sit,and only have to decide if i want a beer or crown royal,any decision harder than that is too much.

. thanks again for your reply and to everyone else.

have a great day to all on the ac forum.dan

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7. Re: uk stages?. i seek your valued opinion on something max bet

I am not a regular poster here, but wanted to take a moment to thank UK for this post and many others. The answers are always so well thought out and well written.

Your answers also confirm everything I have ever thought--it's all about timing!

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my opinion is: if you would hate yourself to win on less than the max bet amount , then you should seek out the slots that do not pay a premium for max bet, ones with a flat pay schedule, e.g 400 for 1 , 800 for 2 and 1200 for 3 credits. That way you can practice bankroll management without "penalty". Of course, you may have to make a sacrifice in the types of games that you play.

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yes,me too!

definetly didnt want to seem as if i was skipping all the great posters on here,but just knew uk would have replied in the detailed manner as he did .

I honestly doubt any reply other than the one he gave would have led to me changing the way i play,It just helped me fell better knowing i was not cheating myself in some odd manner other than the risk of a crash and burn at a faster rate

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10. Re: uk stages?. i seek your valued opinion on something max bet

The bottom line is, the machine doesn't care how much you bet or how many lines you bet.