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Looking at three different Alaska Land Tours - your thoughts

Saint Louis...
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Looking at three different Alaska Land Tours - your thoughts

Hello,

This is probably the wrong place to even ask a question like this as TripAdvisor is a site for independent travel, but I thought I would start here.

I've never done a tour before (always independent travel in the past) and this (if we decide to do one of these) will probably be the first and last tour that DH and I ever take, but DH and I (71 and 64) at the time of the tour are considering doing a land tour of Alaska. We aren't into major hiking, just family friendly walks and hikes. Our primary interests are being in the mountains, national parks, wildlife, and it would be really cool to see a calving glacier too. I'm not interested in an Alaskan cruise, though. I've just always liked land vacations more. We've always enjoyed ranger programs at national parks and things like that.

The driving distances in Alaska are more than what I'd consider for a vacation, so maybe that is one reason that I'd like to maybe do a tour. I'm just not someone that would put together activities that are that far away in a single vacation, so I just can't see myself planning something like this.

A lot of the tours I looked at had a bunch of things that DH and I really weren't interested in. But here are three that looked perhaps like halfway decent fits for us and here are links. Links may be to 2024 trip, but we wouldn't go till 2025 most likely:

Globus -- Nature's Best Alaska: https://www.globusjourneys.com/tour/natures-best-alaska/ck/?season=2024

National Geographic: Alaska Denali to Kenai Fords Expedition: Most expensive by far -- longer - higher end accommodations - more food included. We usually go more basic when lodging is expensive -- example in an upcoming trip to Glacier National Park and Waterton Lakes, we have motor inns booked. We could make an exception though - pretty big budget for this Alaska trip - larger than our normal vacation budget: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/expeditions/destinations/north-america/land/alaska-denali-to-kenai-fjords/

National Geographic: Journeys: Discover Alaska -- This is the longest and not many meals are inlcued. It's not as upscale for accommodations which would be fine with us. Pricing is more expensive than 1 and less expensive than 2: https://www.nationalgeographic.com/expeditions/destinations/north-america/journeys/kenai-fjords-and-denali-alaska-tour/

The Globus tour we are looking at had tons of good reviews online.

I couldn't really find reviews of the National Geographic ones, but I did see a few comments but not about either of these in particular, just that some travelers felt this tour company for the expensive Expedition trips in general was not as good as in the past with Disney now having at 73% stake and National Geographic just having a 27% stake.

Appreciate any thoughts and comments. If we do the Globus or Journey National Geographic one, we would probably take DS and spouse along. If we do the National Geographic Expedition one due to cost, it would be just me and DH going. Either scenario would be fine. If we end up passing on this, we'll probably just do a mini independent trip to Grand Teton National Park, a place we've been before but that we didn't spend as much time as I'd like to. Grand Teton is just two hours from where my dad lives now too, so I'd combine that with one of our bi-annual visits to see him. I'm just sort of assuming National Geographic tours would have a strong nature focus which I think we would like. And for Globus, which has a good reputation. this seems to be their parred down nature focused Alaska trip.

Anyway, appreciate your thoughts / comments on the tours - thoughts for what we might prefer. Or maybe talk us out of doing a tour altogether. And let me know if you have any suggestions for other sites that might be good for getting comments / opinions about Alaskan tours as this independent traveler forum is probably not the right place.

Edited: 08 July 2024, 18:03
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Haines, Alaska
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1. Re: Looking at three different Alaska Land Tours - your thoughts

I usually recommend independent travel as the best choice, but since you have ruled that out.....

Based on the three iteneraries, I like the third one the best......pros are that it is a longer tour and that you are seeing more places, staying longer in those places and that it cost much less than option #2......the biggest con I can see is that you will have several long days in a bus.....

Based on my one and only land tour the first time we came to Alaska decades ago......there is a lot of time wasted waiting and queing up, feeling like we were corraled like ship......for me it got old real quick.....and that was only a 3 day trip.......

If you and hubby are in good health I would hope you reconsider and either rent a car for a more independent trip.....you will get a lot of advice here as your planning takes shape......

You may even want to rent an RV for the real indepedence of going where and when you want,,,,,that could work out well with son and daughter in law along, too.....taking turns with driving

Seattle, Washington
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2. Re: Looking at three different Alaska Land Tours - your thoughts

Personal opinions, of course, so bear that in mind...

Aside from the quality of accommodations and the number and quality of meals, these are all pretty similar in my view. The third one (the second National Geographic tour) goes south-to-north and doesn't include Fairbanks, but otherwise covers pretty much the same territory as the other two. The Fairbanks - Denali - Anchorage - Seward corridor is VERY heavily visited; the itineraries you listed are quite similar to those offered by cruise lines for their land touring add-ons.

When the internal road in Denali National Park was closed at about the halfway point due to landslides a couple of years ago, there was speculation that the reduced access to the national park - some of the best views and a big part of the area where wildlife spotting was common - might result in a drop of visitor numbers to the park. But this doesn't sit well with the tour companies and cruise line tour people - all those hotel and lodge rooms at Denali still have to make their mortgage payments, so the tours just kept the standard two-night (sometimes 3) commitments to staying near Denali. But with access to the interior of the park limited, what to do with all the hours that would have been spent riding on the park bus (no private cars) to places like the Eielson Visitor Center or Wonder Lake, both now off limits? So they laid on more short tours - wildlife or tundra tours, etc. to soak up the hours (and the dollars.)

Now these can be terrific, but my hunch is most people want to see the mountain at a closer range, want to see more wildlife deeper into the park, all that. But they can't, at least for a couple more years until the road reopens (now 2027?) But meanwhile they'll be housed in accommodations near the park, possibly with more time on their hands than they'd like. Maybe that's okay for you, maybe not. But I'd argue that with a 7 or 8 day tour, having 3 of them dedicated to getting to Denali and staying there, then getting south to Anchorage or to Seward with a stop in (IMO rather touristy) Talkeetna en route, along with umpteen other tour buses... well...

Like I say, personal opinion and possibly not widely shared. But at the prices quoted (ouch) I'd question value for money.

If this trip is next year, you have plenty of time to do some thought experiments. Try this: one week's car rental, and independent travel focused on Anchorage, Seward, and the Kenai Peninsula - Homer, Kachemak Bay etc. Include a glacier cruise in Whittier, a Kenai Fjords cruise in Seward, and maybe visits to Anchorage-area sights like Girdwood, Hatcher Pass and Independence Mine, the Alaska Wildlife Conservation Center... things like that. My hunch is that you could put together a pretty rewarding trip.

Seattle, Washington
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3. Re: Looking at three different Alaska Land Tours - your thoughts

(Too late to edit...)

I was also going to suggest that you investigate focusing on Southeast Alaska rather than Southcentral and Interior parts of the state. The priorities you state - mountains, wildlife, glaciers etc. - are all readily available with bases like Sitka, Juneau, Haines or Skagway. You can fly between these places or take the state ferry through beautiful "inside passage" scenery, and while there will be cruise ships present during the days, they'll all sail away in the afternoon or evening, leaving room in restaurants, on local trails, whatever. Do some googling.

Winnipeg, Canada
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4. Re: Looking at three different Alaska Land Tours - your thoughts

Nat. Geographic - I'm not impressed. I couldn't believe this. Had to read the itinerary twice because I thought I must have missed it...but no, one of them doesn't include a bus ride into Denali to view scenery and look for wildlife. Now, you do have time at Denali to purchase a tour and do it on your own. But for $8400 I would expect more.... Also looks like you get just a 6 hr. Kenai Fjords cruise, though they don't come out and say that. The other does include the East Fork Shuttle to mile 43 where the road is closed. Costs about $33 if you have to buy it on your own. (The Tundra Wilderness Tour is way more expensive--$144--but it does pick up at the hotels. However, you don't get to choose your own departure time and are not told what time you've been *assigned* until 48 hours in advance, and that can really mess with your other plans.)

Globus does include the Tundra Wilderness Tour into Denali, but apparently doesn't think clients should know how long their Kenai Fjords cruise is. Might be just a 6 hr. cruise, might be a longer one. For $3900 pp it shouldn't be so difficult for them to provide such pertinent details.

Question: is it important to you to have a tour director escorting you everywhere, or would it be enough that a tour company books all the lodging/tours/transportation for you but at each location you're on your own? If the latter would be acceptable, the company I have in mind also allows you to customize their tours so you can include what interests YOU. For example: in Seward it includes the 6 hr. Kenai Fjords cruise BUT you can opt to upgrade to the Northwestern Fjord cruise (further into Kenai Fjords NP, more time to view glaciers and look for marine wildlife). Have a look at this to see what you think: https://www.alaskatravel.com/tours/640/#tab-what-s-included

You also might want to hang around Anchorage an extra day or two before/after the tour, rent a car, and do activities within an easy 1 or 2 hr. drive. For example:

1. the easy guided hike on Matanuska Glacier is really popular--a 2+ hrs. scenic drive from ANC. If driving 4.5 hrs. in one day is too long, you could overnight near Matanuska before returning to ANC. Sheep Mt. Lodge is good for that, and also offers several excursions including the least expensive flightseeing with glacier landing that I've seen).

2. drive just 1 hr south of ANC (2 hr. round trip), IMO the most scenic stretch of all, utilizing the several turn-outs to enjoy the views, stopping at Potter Marsh if you like birds, Indian Valley Mine for easy gold panning, Girdwood to go up Alyeska Tram if the weather is clear, and visit Wildlife Conservation Center (check website for programs that might be of interest).

3. this popular day train trip to Spencer Glacier, with add-on rafting near icebergs then scenic raft down the river: https://www.alaskatravel.com/things-to-do/train-day-trips/ Or booking it directly on your own: https://alaskanrafting.com/product/spencer-glacier-placer-river-float/ , which includes a detailed itinerary. Note that you can board the train in Anchorage, Girdwood, or Portage if you don't want such a long day...and Portage does save some money. You'd need your own car for that. You could spend the morning doing most of the things I mentioned in #2 and board the train at Portage at 1:25 pm to head to Spencer.

4. depending on which month you're going, a bear-viewing tour. Expensive ($1000 and up) but incredibly memorable. If this would be of interest, check Rust's for more info. Note that if DS and spouse are with you, they could either pay for that on their own, or fly home a day early. Or they could do something else that day if they want to fly home with you.

Just some ideas to kick around.

EDIT: Forgot to mention, the AT&T tour I linked to concludes in Seward, so you'd have to add on either the train or bus back to ANC to fly home.

Edited: 08 July 2024, 19:47
South Dakota
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5. Re: Looking at three different Alaska Land Tours - your thoughts

As independent travelers, I would encourage you to continue that! If you start now, we have a few people on the forum that are especially good at itineraries! I am not one of them but I really think you could better plan your own, spend less and enjoy it way more!!

So start your research now, start booking this fall and you will be all set! :)

Saint Louis...
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6. Re: Looking at three different Alaska Land Tours - your thoughts

Wow --incredible insights! Thank you all so much for taking the time to look at these itineraries and share your opinions and expertise, as well as listing experiences that you think might be particularly worthwhile. Super interesting too that the main road in Denali is closed. I had no idea. Doing it on our own sounds like we could get some better experiences and have extra monies in the budget too for some cool glacier calving and possibly a bear watching add on.

I usually love trip planning (sometimes even more than taking the trip). You've given me some great ideas about where to start too. I think I might just need a short break from planning, so doing a tour just sounded so easy and mindless. It's probably that I made major plans for 10 out of town relatives coming into town for my son's wedding this year (five-night stay for most of the guests -- the wedding was in May). It all went great, but it was a lot to plan. Plus, I just finished planning a seven-night trip in Glacier National Park / Waterton Lakes (got all my in-park reservations that I wanted for next year by going online at midnight mountain time July 1). That kind of forced me to plan everything out - where we wanted to be each day - put together a tentative itinerary for everything). I think I'm just a little burned out on that. I may give myself a month or two off and think based on your advice then look into what an independent trip that would be appealing to our group might look like. I could always too after that evaluation go back to a tour if I wanted.

I so appreciate your frank and honest opinions!

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Anchorage, Alaska
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7. Re: Looking at three different Alaska Land Tours - your thoughts

"Or maybe talk us out of doing a tour altogether."

I read your post a couple times, and I want to talk you out of a tour; and instead plan a DIY land based trip. Following are some notes that you may (or may not) find helpful:

- AK's full of wonderful communities/areas where you can be exposed to some really cool AK experiences. Here's a list of some of these areas and in parenthesis I've listed my suggestion for minimum number of nights in each. It is important to research an area to make sure it has sites/activities that are of interest to you:

Denali (3)

Seward (2)

Fairbanks (1-2)

Homer(2)

Valdez (2)

Girdwood/Portage/Whittier (1-2)

Matanuska Glacier (1)

Talkeetna (0.5-1)

AK's big, and a traveler cannot do it all. A typical 7 day AK trip usually involves flying in/out of Anchorage; traveling as far south as Seward, north to Denali, and hitting a few spots in between. As you add nights, then you can add new areas to visit. Anchorage is great, but the rest of AK is even better.

AK roads:

- https://goo.gl/maps/PzwTz

For 2025 I'd want to have my dates firm by November, so that I could book a rental vehicle (book as soon as you know dates remembering it's cancelable/changeable if prices go down.

7-8 day long trips (short) usually consist of north as far as Denali, south to Seward, and a couple points in between (Girdwood/Portage/Whittier area and/or the Matanuska Glacier area)

As/if you develop wants/not-wants, duration, specific time of year, etc.; come back here with more questions.

South Dakota
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8. Re: Looking at three different Alaska Land Tours - your thoughts

The main road into Denali National park is only partially closed. It is open to about 45 miles. Still lots to see and enjoy! :)

Winnipeg, Canada
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9. Re: Looking at three different Alaska Land Tours - your thoughts

Ah, Trip Planning Fatigue. Yes, the best thing to do is give your poor brain a rest, confident that your subconscious mind will be in the background sorting through options. When it starts hopping up and down because you're ignoring it, come back to this thread and we'll be happy to give more ideas.

You might not want to read the rest of my post until you do return, lol. Don't push things past the point of frustration! You have lots of time to make plans.

For each city, check its website or Chamber of Commerce for ideas on what to do and see. For example, do you even *want* to go to Fairbanks? Cruisetours include that because it's the only international airport north of ANC. Some people enjoy Fairbanks--I do!--but others don't, or just would rather visit other places with their limited time. None of us can see or do everything in one trip, we all have to pick and choose.

To save you a bit of time, here are the links to the main cities:

SOUTH CENTRAL ALASKA

Anchorage: https://www.anchorage.net/

Girdwood: https://www.visitgirdwood.com/stay

Seward: https://www.seward.com/

Homer: https://www.homeralaska.org/

Glacier View/Matanuska: https://glacierview-alaska.com/

Matsu/Palmer/Wasilla: https://www.alaskavisit.com/lodging/

Talkeetna: https://www.talkeetnachamber.org/

There are also Valdez, McCarthy, etc., but those are a long way to drive if you have only 8 or so days.

Denali is your best *chance* to see a variety of wildlife, even with the road closed half-way. Seward is your best *chance* to see a variety of marine wildlife. No guarantees, though, at either place. I've personally seen a little, and a lot, at both locations. Matter of luck.

* * *

INTERIOR ALASKA

Fairbanks: https://www.explorefairbanks.com/

Denali : https://www.discoverdenali.org/

* * *

SE ALASKA (Inside Passage) ports of call

Ketchikan - https://www.visit-ketchikan.com/

Juneau - https://www.traveljuneau.com/

Skagway - https://www.skagway.com/

Haines - https://www.visithaines.com/

Sitka - https://visitsitka.org/

Gustavus - https://www.gustavusak.com/

Icy Strait Point - https://icystraitpoint.com/

Though it sounds like you’ve already decided on Interior/S. Central. No right or wrong choice here, just personal preference. If this is your only trip to Alaska, just be sure that activities/places that are most important to *you* get included.

Enjoy your summer, and hopefully we’ll see you later!

Saint Louis...
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10. Re: Looking at three different Alaska Land Tours - your thoughts

You guys are great! I will bookmark this thread and be back when I am ready to do some travel planning. You're given me great ideas to start and so many helpful ideas and links. Thank you!

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